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rhythmicsoul wrote :
maybe questioning the reason for wanting a relationship in the first place would help. what sounds more to your liking, a person who expresses the cold, callousness of not 'needing' anyone for a relationship or the warmer, friendlier approach of a person who truly 'wants' a relationship and is willing to work towards making that relationship work
That seems a bit extreme. Just because we don't need to be taken care of or want to "take care of" a man doesn't mean we're callous or cold.
It's very very possible that those of us who are independent and self-sufficient just want someone to have fun with, in whatever form that takes. I don't see where the "nonconnectedness" comes from. You can be very connected to someone without needing to depend on them for anything but good companionship.

Nor does it mean we can't sympathize with a man who needs to tell his story or that we're unwilling to lend moral support to such a person. But there is a difference between being needy/clingy/insecure and simply knowing someone has your back in a crisis, great or small.

I'm in the same boat as the OP. Financially independent and quite comfortable with myself, I seem to attract men who are needy in some form or another. Meanwhile, I admire strong (figuratively speaking) men who can stand on their own without needing any handholding. But those guys seem to like the damsels.
- July 11th, 2009, 05:10 pm
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Is it OK for a woman to talk to a man about her problems?
No. I talk to my female friends about that. Men hate being talked to about problems unless they can fix it. To talk for the sake of talking is overwhelming to men. Men love to "fix". Random venting is usually overwhelming to most men Especially the crying weepy convos.
- July 11th, 2009, 05:16 pm
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No. I talk to my female friends about that. Men hate being talked to about problems unless they can fix it. To talk for the sake of talking is overwhelming to men. Men love to "fix". Random venting is usually overwhelming to most men Especially the crying weepy convos.
I never cease to be amazed at the range of what constitutes a 'relationship' for different people.
- July 11th, 2009, 05:20 pm
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I never cease to be amazed at the range of what constitutes a 'relationship' for different people.
And there you have it, subjectivity at its best. Relationship, companionship, friendship, someone to hang out with. Everyone's needs and thoughts are different. Me? I'd love to be able to talk with my man about what's going on. I want to share with him. When I walk in the house after work I don't want to hear "what's for dinner", "where are my socks", "when are you going to sew on that button." I want to cook dinner together or take turns or order out. I want him to know where his socks are and sew on his own button. These things are not difficult and at 50 years old I don't want a tall child.

We're getting older and will probably fall apart some day and that's different. But I'll be damned if I'm going to have to remind a guy repeatedly to call his doctor, pick up his wet towels, or get angry because he balances his paper plate on top of the overfull trash but can't seem to replace it. That's just inconsiderate, wrong, and juvenile.
- July 11th, 2009, 07:03 pm
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This whole thread seems strange to me... I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but being with another person shouldn't be about need at all!

I think relationships should be based on want and adaptation. If you want to be with someone you adapt yourself to be with them. It's not easy, but anything worth having takes effort.

If they are too demanding or 'needy' without any reciprocation then adaptation quickly turns into deference which, if pushed, can become less respectful and eventually turn into a battle for control.

Having a relationship shouldn't be about being in control of anything. You're supposed to be hurt, that's the point. Without being hurt you'd have no reason to change and grow. You just need to decide if you'll accept being hurt by this particular person.

If you're in a relationship to get something from someone else then I weep for you. You should be in it to give. If you meet someone worthwhile they do the same thing.

Having said that, everyone gives differently. Not everyone is comfortable enabling someone else to be lazy. I certainly wouldn't be. An emotionally weak person may need to be told constantly through words that they are worthwhile and pretty. They might enjoying returning that feeling of goodness by doing chores and so forth. Another person might like to spend time with you doing all sorts of things. Cooking, washing the car, having a walk...

It's not about controlling another person or judging them. It should be about acceptance and giving. Having this preconceived mold that someone else needs to fit into isn't only unfair, it sets you up for disappointment. If things are tried and they don't work then they don't work.

Nobody is ever going to fit into a mold all the time. Sometimes peoples emotional issues boil over and having additional stress put on them by the people they care for only causes more tension. Venting at someone who is already fed up with your baggage isn't a good idea either however.

Everyone is different though. Lots of folks want to go through life with this self-delusion that they are in charge of themselves. People they associate with need to wear a yoke before they are allowed to get close.

Being in control of someone else and manipulating them to do what you want isn't love. It's lack of personal control. Knowing that you can strong arm a weaker person into being subservient doesn't mean you should do it!

Ultimately if you are independent and strong enough to live your life by your own terms, do you really need anyone else to hold you back? Why not use circumstance to decide who to be with? If you are part of a club and find satisfaction being with a certain person at the club then let it roll. Risk a little and put yourself out there.

Mutual interests, random events, letting things kinda flow together. Letting your feelings and intuition guide you with interpersonal relationships is way more satisfying than constantly thinking of who gives more or who controls what. Or what you can make someone do.

If you feel good with it then roll with it. If you're not feeling good then express it and move forward. Don't start regretting and bottling to 'protect another persons sensibilities'; Just express yourself for yourself and if it offends them then let them deal with it. Listen to their expressions of frustration if needed but don't hold back being communicative for any reason.

Ultimately it will be better for both partners if feelings and thoughts are shared. It'll allow both people to learn about each other and eventually not need to discuss little things because you'll already know the reasoning and understandings behind one another's actions.

I think verbalizing thoughts and feelings is the best way to express ourselves to another. It allows us to see their responses and intuitively come to conclusions that we can put back into our communication and discover more truths.

I don't think there is only one person out there for everyone. You are a sum of your experiences so share them with someone if you want or don't. Life is up to us. We all suffer until we die.

Everyone is emotionally filled differently. Just find someone who you are compatible with and, combined with trust and understanding created through communication, allow yourself to put your energy into filling them emotionally and know that they can and will do the same back for you in a way that you appreciate and love.

Getting to know if they are compatible is easy. Just ask.
- July 11th, 2009, 07:29 pm
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I love them. What I can't stand are self professed independent feminists who still expect me to pay for everything, open doors, initiate all contact, always make the first move, etc


So many women seem to want to have their cake and eat it too.
- July 11th, 2009, 08:18 pm
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Bouffy wrote :
This whole thread seems strange to me... I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but being with another person shouldn't be about need at all!

I think relationships should be based on want and adaptation. If you want to be with someone you adapt yourself to be with them. It's not easy, but anything worth having takes effort.

If they are too demanding or 'needy' without any reciprocation then adaptation quickly turns into deference which, if pushed, can become less respectful and eventually turn into a battle for control.

Having a relationship shouldn't be about being in control of anything. You're supposed to be hurt, that's the point. Without being hurt you'd have no reason to change and grow. You just need to decide if you'll accept being hurt by this particular person.

If you're in a relationship to get something from someone else then I weep for you. You should be in it to give. If you meet someone worthwhile they do the same thing.

Having said that, everyone gives differently. Not everyone is comfortable enabling someone else to be lazy. I certainly wouldn't be. An emotionally weak person may need to be told constantly through words that they are worthwhile and pretty. They might enjoying returning that feeling of goodness by doing chores and so forth. Another person might like to spend time with you doing all sorts of things. Cooking, washing the car, having a walk...

It's not about controlling another person or judging them. It should be about acceptance and giving. Having this preconceived mold that someone else needs to fit into isn't only unfair, it sets you up for disappointment. If things are tried and they don't work then they don't work.

Nobody is ever going to fit into a mold all the time. Sometimes peoples emotional issues boil over and having additional stress put on them by the people they care for only causes more tension. Venting at someone who is already fed up with your baggage isn't a good idea either however.

Everyone is different though. Lots of folks want to go through life with this self-delusion that they are in charge of themselves. People they associate with need to wear a yoke before they are allowed to get close.

Being in control of someone else and manipulating them to do what you want isn't love. It's lack of personal control. Knowing that you can strong arm a weaker person into being subservient doesn't mean you should do it!

Ultimately if you are independent and strong enough to live your life by your own terms, do you really need anyone else to hold you back? Why not use circumstance to decide who to be with? If you are part of a club and find satisfaction being with a certain person at the club then let it roll. Risk a little and put yourself out there.

Mutual interests, random events, letting things kinda flow together. Letting your feelings and intuition guide you with interpersonal relationships is way more satisfying than constantly thinking of who gives more or who controls what. Or what you can make someone do.

If you feel good with it then roll with it. If you're not feeling good then express it and move forward. Don't start regretting and bottling to 'protect another persons sensibilities'; Just express yourself for yourself and if it offends them then let them deal with it. Listen to their expressions of frustration if needed but don't hold back being communicative for any reason.

Ultimately it will be better for both partners if feelings and thoughts are shared. It'll allow both people to learn about each other and eventually not need to discuss little things because you'll already know the reasoning and understandings behind one another's actions.

I think verbalizing thoughts and feelings is the best way to express ourselves to another. It allows us to see their responses and intuitively come to conclusions that we can put back into our communication and discover more truths.

I don't think there is only one person out there for everyone. You are a sum of your experiences so share them with someone if you want or don't. Life is up to us. We all suffer until we die.

Everyone is emotionally filled differently. Just find someone who you are compatible with and, combined with trust and understanding created through communication, allow yourself to put your energy into filling them emotionally and know that they can and will do the same back for you in a way that you appreciate and love.

Getting to know if they are compatible is easy. Just ask.
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- July 11th, 2009, 10:43 pm
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OverAnalyzer wrote :
hmm...is that possible? Let's say I'm a 51 year old single parent of older kids, own my home, work full time, take care of inside and out, have hobbies, am happy, content, and keep crossing the next thing off my list.

I'm attractive, fun, not overweight, great cook, passionate, optimistic, and happy. (not a ploy, just stating what you may be wondering).

So why am I still single? Do men really want to take care of women? If so, how come I only meet the ones that want to be taken care of?

Where would they fit into your life, seems you're so independent that there is no place for a guy to begin with
- July 12th, 2009, 03:55 am
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avinash wrote :
Where would they fit into your life, seems you're so independent that there is no place for a guy to begin with
Why so? Whether one is independent or not is separate from one's desire for an emotional connection with someone with whom to share life's journey... (Bouffy's post captures a lot of that nicely...)
- July 12th, 2009, 04:25 am
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While the babies slept, the Political Correct crept up into their brains and injected them with the Master List of Verbotten words [though this list can be changed daily per the need.]

The word at the top that feminists and the PC use is "need." Yikes run, it's the Nuclear bomb of all words for a feminist!

How DARE Mothernature set women and men to "need" each other! Scandalous...call the President, someone has to put out a contract to whack this Mothernature, whoever she is.

If a woman "needs" her children, her dog & cat, why wouldn't she "need" a man?
It's a pity the younger men have been brainwashed via the PC TV to agree 100% with extreme feminists.

Millions of men today refuse to date women or get seriously involved with them because of all the injustices done to men today [parental alientation, loss of due process, going to jail for losing their jobs, etc.]

Let "independent" women date whoever they want. I have no problem with a strong woman. But too many women today have an attitude they are "superior."
Bottomline, they are way too high maintainence.

"Women want liberal relationships while men still want Conservative ones."

Whoever believes they are more intelligent than Mothernature [per genders not needing each other] is seriously deluded. Or at worst, a potential violent criminal in the making.

Genocides are created by people who believe they are smarter than Mothernature.
- July 12th, 2009, 04:27 am
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